Posted tagged ‘Bible’

A Problem with Presuppositional Apologetics

03/14/2011

Below is an excerpt from an informal debate on Facebook between myself and a few others. One of the other individuals, the one included in the excerpt below, a man who calls himself Atom, hijacked the original debate, which was about why calling a Christian “not a true Christian” is a No True Scotsman logical fallacy, and turned its focus to presuppositions. Why? The purpose of this Apologetic is to effectively level the playing field between the Christian and the atheist by claiming that both the Christian and atheist hold presuppositions, “beliefs that governs all other beliefs, or the most fundamental commitment of the heart,”* and therefore neither can objectively weigh evidence to reach Truth. Unfortunately, if you accept what the Presuppositionalist tells you, they then begin spinning men of straw about the “nature” of logic and how the only way to objectively look at the universe is to assume the existence of their deity. Of course, this is a load of bull, as the excerpt down below will show.

My Original Question:

If two people can read your Bible and come out with different understandings, why did the supposed author of it fail to make it clear enough to avoid that from happening in the first place?

Atom’s Response:

This is just another example how you get out of it what you take to it. Your presuppositions effect everything you interact with. Just like how you think the bible is “bullshit” so all you see is bullshit… (sic)

My Response:

Actually, Atom, I never thought, like most atheists who were raised in religious households, that the Bible was bullshit until after I did my homework on it so it isn’t an arbitrary presupposition but a reasoned conclusion. Most never went into it the study of their preferred religion with the presupposition it wasn’t true. We went into it with the presupposition it was true and that we wanted to actually understand it. I wonder how, having the same presupposition that you did, the Bible is true, we could have come out of it with the conclusion that it wasn’t. Hmm?

And, not only did you not answer my question, you’re actually begging it. Why would your God create us to have presuppositions to misunderstand the very book we’re supposed to?

Ahem….checkmate.

* Definition courtesy of Apologist John Frame: http://www.thirdmill.org/newfiles/joh_frame/PT.Frame.VanTil.Glossary.html

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Why Do Christians Hate the Anti-Christ?

09/11/2010

The Second Coming of Jesus Christ is without a doubt the single most desired event among the Christian community, but according to biblical prophecy, before Christ can return the anti-Christ must reign. Seeing as the anti-Christ is integral to the return of Christ, why then, is he the target of universal Christian disdain and fear? Looking through history we see that many of the individuals who have been labeled the anti-Christ were also the recipients of great retaliation (necessary retaliation mind you) for example Nero, Charlemagne, Napoleon, Alistair Crowley, Mussolini, Hitler, Stalin, and currently there’s even a minority who believe President Barack Obama is the anti-Christ (probably the same minority who think him to be a socialist, Muslim, illegal alien from Kenya). If Christians truly believe what they claim to, they should be doing everything they possibly can to bring the anti-Christ to power, not fight him tooth-and-nail prolonging an end they desire more than life itself.